>>>
good evening from new york. i'm
chris hayes
. thank you for joining us.
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in michigan, the real price of austerity as a
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runs out of money, fires all the teachers, and shuts the doors on all the students. that happened. you have to hear this story. all of that, plus, click 3. we begin with new details and developments and the big question of overlooked
red flags
in the investigation surrounding the kidnapping and rescue of three
young women
held captive for a decade inside a
cleveland
home. 52-year-old
ariel
castro
was charged late this afternoon with four counts of kidnapping and three counts of rape. no charges were filed against either of his brothers, who were arrested with him monday night.
cleveland police
now say there is no evidence that leads them to believe the brothers were involved or even had any knowledge that
ariel
castro
was holding the
women
captive in his home.
police
said today the
women
are only known to have been outside twice.
>>
the evidence we've obtained thus far in the case that in the last decade they've only known themselves to be outside the home on two separate occasions.
>>
we were told that they left the
house
and went into the garage in disguise, so those are the two times that were mentioned or that they can recall.
>>
so they never left the property?
>>
no.
>>
as we're learning more about the horrific conditions these three
women
were held under, we're also learning more about the suspect in the case,
ariel
castro
. every new detail we learn about his life, given what we now know he's expected of doing is being seen understandably as a missed
warning sign
, a
red flag
that might have alerted authorities that something was wrong with this man.
castro
was fired last year as a job as a
school bus
driver after he was cited for leaving his bus unattended for four hours last september while he went home to rest, that after a series of incidents that involved leaving a kid on the bus for two hours. while they've never received suspicious activity at
castro
's
house
, many neighbors are coming forward with long-held suspicions about
castro
. but as a picture of
red flags
and
warning signs
surrounding
ariel
krast troe emerges, the biggest
red flag
is the least talked about today, because it seems on the surface almost too routine to be a
red flag
because it is such a fact of
american life
and that very mundane
red flag
is
ariel
castro
's record of alleged
domestic violence
. a disturbing list of charges against
castro
dating back to
2005
reporting based on court documents that his ex-wife, quote, suffered two broken noses, broken ribs, a knocked-out tooth,
blood clot
on the brain, and two dislocated shoulders. requesting a judge keep
castro
from threatening to kill her and further alleging the ex-wife has full custody with no visitation for
castro
, nevertheless,
castro
repeatedly abducts their daughter and keeps them from mother, prompting katie jambaker to write, quote, we care very much about pretty adolescent girls who disappear in thin air, but we should also worry about guys who abuse their wives and children before they find replacements to hide in the basement. we're talking about a man that had been accused of assaulting his ex-wife and threatening to kill her and kidnapping their children and alleged to kidnap three other
young women
and children, one of whom was a close friend of his daughter,
gina
dejesus, who was 14 years old when she disappeared in
2004
. the last person to see her that day on her way home from school was her friend and
ariel
castro
's daughter.
castro
's daughter appeared on an episode of "america's most wanted" where she described the moments leading up to her friend's abduction.
>>
i talked to her
best friend
and classmate, arlene
castro
. the two girls were walking home together, hoping to spend the rest of the afternoon at
gina
's
house
.
>>
i decided to call my mom and ask her, so she gave me
50 cents
to call my mom, and so my mom said, no, that i can't go over to her
house
, and so i told her i couldn't, and she said, well, okay, i'll
talk to you later
. and she walked.
>>
police report
released tonight fills in details. quote,
gina
dejesus,
ariel
came back without his daughter and told
gina
he would give her a ride to his
house
to meet up with his daughter.
ariel
castro
is alleged to have driven
gina
to his
house
instead where he held her captive for nine years. according to the timeline laid out by
police
,
ariel
castro
had already abducted
gina
dejesus, michelle knight, and amanda berry before -- it's hard not to imagine the past eight years of those
women
's lives having been played out differently if someone had interviewed more forcefully or more successfully when
ariel
castro
was being accused of dangerous and violent behavior against his own family. joining me again from
cleveland
, ohio,
connie schultz
. with me here at the table, irene carmone.
connie
, i want to get your reaction, and the
cleveland plain dealer
, to its great credit, did reporting of this about this
domestic violence
incident. the details of which are brutal, horrifying, and also shockingly mundane in the context of
domestic violence
and reports that i as a reporter have red for the duration of my career while reporting stories.
>>
you know, i had a long conversation today, chris, with the ceo of the
rape crisis center
here, megan o'brien, and this was before the charges were made public, but we knew about him at that point, and as she said to me, and it's so true, we still marginalize this whole issue of
domestic violence
involving
women
and
sexual abuse
and
sexual assault
, and this is really, unfortunately, this story is playing that out in vivid detail for us tonight.
>>
you know, we have a system that literally cannot handle the sheer number of
domestic violence
calls there are. i know in chicago when i was a reporter in chicago, there was a separate court created for
domestic violence
to try to process it. you can go through rap sheets and it's often the case misdemeanor, misdemeanor after misdemeanor, you have to do something quite extreme to get a felony. here's this item just sitting in the middle of his record and then everybody moved on about their lives.
>>
look, there's attention -- sorry.
>>
go ahead.
>>
i was going to say there's attention here. of course, we don't want people to be locked up for the rest of their lives because they commit a misdemeanor crime, but i think there's a continuum here, there's a spectrum through which what
ariel
castro
's accused of doing to his own family and this kind of extraordinary violence that's frankly an extreme version of what is considered ordinary, what is normalized, what is considered private, which is
violence against women
.
>>
connie
, what were you going to say?
>>
well, you said something that really struck me, you said we have a system that can't handle all the
domestic violence
complaints, and i guess my argument would be if we made
women
and
women
's safety a priority, we would have a system that could handle all the
domestic violence
complaints.
>>
what do you mean by that?
>>
if we made it a priority, we would have enough lawyers who represent
women
who can represent them for free if they don't have the money, we would have
police departments
around the country who take seriously allegations of abuse, we would have a network in place for
safe havens
for
women
immediately. we would have the equivalent of the
cleveland
rape crisis center
in every city in the country. we've not made it a priority. we certainly spend money on a lot of other things when we decide it's important, and if we put
women
first,
women and children
and their safety, we would be able to handle these complaints and do a lot more to prevent
domestic violence
in the first place.
>>
i think it's important to note while we're not doing nearly enough and while it's a scandal that 1.3
million women
are victims of
intimate partner violence
every year in the last statistics that i saw, we've actually made a fair amount of progress, which is actually encouraging for what can happen. over the last few decades, as
violent crime
has gone down generally,
domestic violence
has gone down, and you have to think in that same period,
women
have become more empowered.
women
and men, as well, who were in
domestic partner
situations that were violent often felt like they had no alternative. some alternatives, if not enough, have been created and as people have other sources of income, as they can imagine themselves outside of this harmful couples situation. so again, it's not enough, but we have made a lot of progress.
>>
and part of that has been,
connie
, part of it has been the way in which there has been a revolution in policing, and this gets us to this kind of red-flag question, which i think looms over the
city of cleveland
, looms over the case right now in terms of the
police department
's conduct. the
police department
today, since you were talking about usa tod today's reports and three calls between
2011
and
2012
, reports of seeing
naked women
on leashes in the backyard, we should note
police
at the press conference have no record of those calls, that the
women
themselves say they were not outside the
house
.
>>
right.
>>
and that, i think, is part of the story that's important here, because i think everybody's looking at whether the
police
did this right or wrong or not with respect to these neighbors' calls, and the question i keep having is, what happened when the cop showed up when the ex-wife had a
blood clot
, right? that's the point at which the intervention to me seems the best chance of something breaking open there that would have ended this
horror show
eight years ago.
>>
well, that's a very good question, and it's one that a lot of us in
cleveland
have right now. but i can't tell how much i appreciate you've pointed out right now the investigation is still unfolding and we don't know what all the
police
did right and what the
police
did wrong. in
cleveland
in particular, i've been critical of
cleveland police
a lot in my career, but the response to -- their response after the anthony sole murders, 11
women
found buried in his
house
on the
east side
of
cleveland
in
2009
, the commission, an independent commission which included the ceo of the
rape crisis center
and a boat load of recommendations for change in policy and practices, and so i -- while i'm always going to be skeptical when it comes to the
police
, i am going to wait and find out what all -- first of all, what all they report, what other strong reporting reveals about this, and i'm not willing right now to say it's simply the
cleveland police
dropping the ball in every direction. we don't know that yet, and i'm really getting weary of the speculation of news shows and online stories. they are drawing a lot of conclusions about my city and my town and i don't feel proprietary protecting the
police
, but i want the reporting accurate. there's a lot at stake right now, it's including the safety of the
women
found, all the survivors reliving their traumas by the unfolding of this news. there's so much to take into consideration right now. as i wrote for my syndicative column today, first rule for journalists, do no further harm to these
women
.
>>
i have to say you bring that up and we were watching the scene unfold today when one of the
women
returned home. and there was a huge stake out there, we're now showing the footage, which i'm about to criticize. the fact, you know, how long are those cameras going to be there, this is someone whose gone from being locked inside a
house
for ten years, and i would love to give them the space and privacy to be able to cope and heal and move on in the way they need to and not be locked inside their
house
because there's press waiting on their doorstep every fricking second. trying not to be part of the problem.
>>
i would like to clone you. that's what i would like to do in our industry right now. i made a direct plea to journalists today. we have got to dial this back.
>>
i want to talk about the most incredible moment of
charles ramsey
's interview to me and the story of
charles ramsey
as a kind of
folk hero
on this and i want to bring in one more guest to talk about the context of
domestic violence
and the remarkable revelation today based on very good reporting by the
cleveland plain dealer
that the suspect in this case had a record of
domestic violence
. all that when we come back. 8
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